July 12...8:54 pm

to have a voice

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I’m a communicator. That’s what I do, for a living, for entertainment, to relax. In my mind, life is all about speaking and being heard. I’m a journalist. When I’m not at work I blog, write the odd bit of piss poor fiction. When I need to clear my mind, I meet up with the girls and we talk, laugh and dance for hours and hours (at high volume, much to the neighbours’ dismay). All of this is because of my core directive to be heard. Recently the girls and I had a night in. We drank far, far too much beer and made pizzas. We sang and danced to Hole and Rocky Horror Picture Show and assorted Triple J Hottest 100 compilations. It was fucking fantastic.

My boyfriend says he hates the amount of Hole I listen to. But singing along to Hole with the girls, as unmusical as it sounds, Courtney gives us a voice. What we care about, the things that piss us off, that’s not delicate or feminine. We don’t have to be what society demands. We’re allowed to get angry, or sad, or tired. And we’re allowed to express that. And we want to hear from artists that are women, telling their stories, in their own voices. There’s nothing surprising about that.

A random list of female artists that should rate among the Triple J Hottest 100 of all Time 2009 via the Tweeps:

Bjork

Frente

Alanis

Hole

PJ Harvey

Tori Amos

Garbage

Regina Spektor

Missy Higgins

Joni Mitchell

Cranberries

Veruca Salt

Janis Joplin

The Yeah Yeah Yeahs

Magic Dirt

Eurythmics

Stevie Nicks

I wonder what the lack of women in the countdown tells us. In discusions at my house, the absence of women was likened to the absence of dance songs. It’s not the top 100 songs you want to hear, it’s the 100 most popular songs. They just happened to be predominantly written/performed by white men. What does that say about the demographic that voted? What does it say about the artistic contributions of women and people of colour that they are so soon forgotten? Why aren’t they valued?

Please, dear reader, feel free to tell us about your favourite female artists, or acts driven by women. Think of it as our own hottest 100.

Update: There’s been a couple of brilliant posts on the matter. Fuck Politeness says the poll erased the work of female artists while promoting lukewarm ballads by Powderfinger to cult status. Godard’s Letterboxes describes the countdown as the Hottest (white male) 100.

Also, @triplejhack will discuss the gender imbalance on tonight’s program at 5.30pm.

Update II: Larvatus Prodeo has an interesting discussion on this and have some links to more knowledgable explanations than anything I could offer.

Update III: (Via Hoyden’s wrap of the Hack show) Purrdence is running a poll: Not the Triple J Hottest 100. Place your votes.

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  • Blondie

  • godardsletterboxes

    Lily Allen!!

  • queenemily

    The Grates.

    Kylie, Madonna (seriously, if there’s the Beach Boys and Michael Jackson…)

  • Where is Kate Bush on the Hottest 100? or Aretha Franklin? Lily Allen? There was only 1 female voice – a guest for “Massive Attack”. I could be wrong, but there were only 4 bands with female musicians…Dandy Warhols, White Stripes, The Pixies and Smashing Pumpkins.

  • Crimson & Clover Joan Jett
    Sway Bic Runga
    Fade Into you Mazzy Star
    Hole fuck anything would have done
    The Amps
    The Grates
    YYYs
    Regina
    Tori Amos
    Bjork
    Kate Bush
    The Breeders
    Julianna Hatfield Universal Heartbeat
    Stay Lisa Loeb
    Landy Fingers – Luscious Jackson (or Naked eye?)
    PORTISHEAD GLORY BOX
    Dolly Parton
    Lamb Goreki
    Sinead O’Connor
    Cyndi Lauper
    KMH
    Shirley Bassey
    Elastica – STUTTER
    Concrete Blonde – JOey
    Magic Dirt
    PJ harvey
    MORE PIXIES – or Kim Deal in general
    Bikini Kill
    ELLA Fitzgerald
    Aretha Franklin
    Beth Orton
    Amy Winehouse
    Veruca Salt
    Garbage

  • Thanks for all the great suggestions. I’d completely forgotten about Veruca Salt. Really, it’s a crime that an artist like Sinead O’Connor or Aretha Franklin didn’t rate a mention.

    Not sure if The Pretenders should be on the list?

  • Some more rocking women and bands with female members and collaborators:

    Ladyhawke
    Lacuna Coil
    Patti Smith
    Suzi Quatro
    Ani DiFranco
    Belle & Sebastian
    Spiderbait
    Something For Kate
    Billie Holiday
    Trans-Siberian Orchestra
    Jefferson Airplane
    Fiona Apple
    The New Pornographers
    Rasputina
    Sarah McLaughlin
    Broken Social Scene
    Ash
    Killing Heidi
    The Superjesus
    Amanda Palmer
    Liz Phair
    Mazzy Star
    Skunk Anansie
    Jefferson Airplane
    KMFDM
    The Herd
    The Waifs
    Beth Orton

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  • fuckpoliteness

    Thanks for writing this – it does come down to having a voice, and to me, this whole shitshow does come down somewhat to having that voice erased – both the voices of the female performers that have f*cking rocked over the years, and the voices of the female listeners of JJJ who’ve given the station such loyalty over the years feeling a sense of identity and inclusion in such a station. Admittedly I stopped listening a year ago cos the quota of kiddie punk and that weird new glam-rock/metal shite just made me go kablooey, but I was invested in my JJJ identity. I can’t quite believe the ‘Oh, but there weren’t that many women AROUND in the nineties and it’s a nineties heavy list’ – oh PLEASE! Hole was massive on JJJ for most of that decade, Tori Amos was everywhere for years, Bjork, L7, Liz Phair, Sinead O’Connor, Veruca Salt (thanks for the reminder, HOW did we leave ‘Seether’ of), PJ Harvey…YES, I remember how big Nirvana was, because I too was listening and I remember Hole and L7 and The Pixies and The Breeders alongside…so we get back to erasure, erasure of voices and the right of women to be heard. Fuck that fucking list, I just cannot believe the highly conspicuous absences particularly in amongst the bizarro inclusions – TINY DANCER WTF??? How is that a great song? What is it about? Is it about a tiny dancer? Like Tinkerbell sized? Why would you write a song about that? Does the tiny person ever stop dancing? Am I meant to feel emotional about the dancing because the dancer is tiny? HOW is Blink 182 on the list and no Hole? Ok…rant suspended. I can’t say over cos it’s waiting to leak out again.

  • Taking it from a different angle, i’ve looked back at a list of songs that a wrote a couple of years ago that were THE songs of my life. In my opinion.

    Turns out the only female artists (i don’t know about backing singers or anything) were the 4 non blondes and Goldfrapp.

    Although the result of the poll does seem extremely strange, i highly doubt anything dodgy went on. It’s more down to what people actually voted for. Yes, i have many hundreds of female artists in my music collection. Yet i love them all for their collections of music and styles, not for a particular song. If the poll were about the hottest 100 artists, not songs, i think we would see a greater turnout on the female side.

  • @ fuckpoliteness: “HOW is Blink 182 on the list and no Hole? ” I think that basically sums up the whole thing. It is about voice and whose voices are heard. That’s where Triple J’s changing demographic comes it, Blink 182’s song (can’t even remember what it was called) is just a catchy and pleasant song. Given Hole and Nirvana were quite stylistically similar at that time (oh god I’m going to get angry comments for saying that aren’t I?), it’s revealing that Nirvana made number 1 and Hole didn’t rate a mention at all. The history of sucessful female artists are constantly erased and when you mention it you get blank looks. (Although I do kinda like the Tiny Dancer song myself, not sure I’d count it among my top 10.)

    @ Hayden: Actually, whether a list of favourite *artists* as opposed to songs would have made a difference is a really interesting question. What does everyone else think?

    I don’t really think anything dodgy went on like vote rigging, or that anyone really sat down intending to silence female artists. It is a remarkable outcome though that when people were asked to choose their ten favourite songs, so few of them thought of songs by women. I think it speaks to the obstacles women face in the entertainment industry if they don’t want to portray a T&A image. Also the way women in general are viewed in society as being less able or having less to contribute. And I think it probably also says something about how Triple J has changed over the past 10 years.

    Also, I’m really glad that Hack did a show on it. It’s the kind of thing that really should be noted, discussed and considered – even if the answers as to why are many and it seems a lot of people don’t want to hear them. I wonder if it would encourge Triple J to reconsider its music programming?

  • Hi there,

    In response to JJJ’s Hottest 100 being dominated by male artists, I’ve set up a Twitter account to collate a female-focussed Hottest 100. It’s @Hottest100Women. If this is an idea you are interested in, or support, I’d love it if you could write about it on your blog. If not, I totally understand :)

    The way I intend to run the poll, is to ask people to write posts with @Hottest100Women or #Hottest100Women in the post, nominating the songs that get their votes. Then I can collate all the votes (after I get some meaningful number), and find out what the #Hottest100Women songs are, and publish the results through Twitter.

    Thanks for your time, hope you’re having a great day :)
    -@Hottest100Women

  • [...] make the list and makes some direct comparisons here in “Women are, like, different”, as does shinynewcoin, who writes more in “you’re soaking in it. Fuckpoliteness sums up, in @Hottest100Women [...]


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